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		<title>Google Adds New Ad Quality &amp; Performance Help Pages</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Inside Adwords blog has announced new help pages which aim to provide more details regarding ad quality and performance for advertisers. From the Adwords blog; The Quality and Performance Overview section includes 11 topics meant to define quality and performance, and to help understand AdWords system behaviors. Within the Quality and Performance Factors section, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a title="Ad quality &#038; performance" href="http://adwords.blogspot.com/2006/12/ad-quality-and-performance-new-in-help.html">Inside Adwords blog</a> has announced new help pages which aim to provide more details regarding ad quality and performance for advertisers. From the Adwords blog;</p>
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<ul>
<li>The <strong><a href="https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=114">Quality and Performance Overview</a></strong> section includes 11 topics meant to define quality and performance, and to help understand AdWords system behaviors.</li>
<li>Within the <a href="https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=9353"><strong>Quality and Performance Factors</strong></a> section, you&#8217;ll find links to more than 25 topics on Quality Score, quality-based minimum bids, landing page quality, ad postion, and clickthrough rate (CTR).</li>
<li>The <a href="https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=9357"><strong>Troubleshooting</strong></a> section offers more than 15 helpful links that can assist you in troubleshooting your keywords, ads, landing pages and minimum bids.</li>
<li>Lastly, the <a href="https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=9361"><strong>Improving Ad Performance</strong></a> section offers 20 or so topics on choosing successful keywords, creating targeted ads, and optimizing your account.</li>
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<p>So overall thats <em><strong>71</strong></em> helpful links for advertisers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad Google made the whole quality thing so simple.</p>
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		<title>An Interview With Michael Gray Aka Graywolf</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was pretty stoked about getting the chance to interview Graywolf about the Google landing page quality update. There has been a lot said about the latest update and I wanted to hear the thoughts of someone who has really been impacted by the change. Graywolf has been one of the biggest critics of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pretty stoked about getting the chance to interview <a title="Graywolfs SEO Blog" href="http://www.wolf-howl.com/">Graywolf</a> about the <a title="Google landing page qaulity" href="http://www.ppcblog.co.uk/ppc/landing-page-quality-update-for-adsense-content-sites-too/">Google landing page quality update</a>. There has been a lot said about the latest update and I wanted to hear the thoughts of someone who has really been impacted by the change. Graywolf has been one of the biggest critics of the landing page quality score and he&#8217;s also been the most open about sharing his own data in the public domain.</p>
<p>I posed some questions to Michael below which are as you might expect if you have read his blog or posts elsewhere before; open, to the point and extremely enlightning. Thanks again to Michael for<br />
answering these questions.</p>
<p><strong>What do you find frustrating about the latest Google landing page quality update?</strong></p>
<p>I have to say the most frustrating part of the entire change has been the lack of disclosure of what they are really looking for and saying is high quality. As an advertiser you measure your success by ROI, how much did spend, how much did I make, how much profit was there and was it worth the time and resources you invested. Google is measuring multiple factors and being vague about what they are and what role they play. From where I stand it would be much easier for everyone if they just said we want X, Y, and Z, I&#8217;m sure 99% of the people would just make the changes they wanted.</p>
<p><strong>It seems that many in the industry believe that the latest landing page quality update is not a <em>real</em> attempt by Google in improving quality of user experience by limiting MFA&#8217;s, arbitragers and other affiliates. What are your thoughts?</strong></p>
<p>IMHO the changes aren&#8217;t targeted at all affiliates, just &#8220;thin affiliates&#8221;. For example Google doesn&#8217;t see any real value in having 6 Coca-Cola vending machines right next to each other. As an advertiser if I can put a flashier front panel on my vending machine enticing you chose it over the other 5 I&#8217;m willing to take that risk. I&#8217;m sure some less sophisticated mom &#038; pop businesses who fit loosely into the &#8220;affiliate fingerprint&#8221; got caught in the trap which is really unfortunate.</p>
<p><strong>Arbitragers seem to be a particular focus for Google right now. If Google wanted to eradicate arbitragers, could it not do so by enforcement of its own advertiser/publisher policies, terms &#038; conditions?</strong></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a few different kinds of arbitrage, most people understand the contextual arbitrage model, however there&#8217;s also the acquisition and lead generation that I classify as arbitrage as well. If you&#8217;re paying for the traffic and not ultimately completing the conversion, you come under the arbitrage model. The problem is lots of small business use hosted carts, pay pal, 2checkout or other off site services, so it&#8217;s hard to create public rule set that doesn&#8217;t have more exceptions and holes than a block of Swiss cheese.</p>
<p><strong>Some have suggested that Google is being far to authoritarian in appointing themselves as the rightful judge for everyone in what they may consider &#8216;quality&#8217;. How do you believe Google is determining this &#8216;quality&#8217;?</strong></p>
<p>The use of the word &#8216;quality&#8217; was probably not the best choice in hindsight, as everyone has a different set of standards. For example I may consider a Honda or Toyota a quality car, but Donald Trump has a different set of requirements for quality, it&#8217;s all very subjective. Conversely you can&#8217;t come out and say we&#8217;re going to judge your ads by our arbitrary set of criteria, and not expect to look foolish. So using the word &#8216;quality&#8217; was window dressing that allowed them some editorial latitude and freedom behind the curtain.</p>
<p>Are they too authoritarian? Well I do think Google is still a bit arrogant. They are a smart bunch of folks and they realize it&#8217;s there&#8217;s very little personal cost involved in switching search engines. That&#8217;s why they are developing other services to blur the lines between Google and the Internet, like Gmail, notebooks, writely, spreadsheets and any of the other services. The cost (non monetary) of moving all of those services and data is much larger and you are much less likely to make the change impulsively or on a whim.</p>
<p><strong>What ppc campaigns have you seen worst hit by the latest update? Are they the same campaigns hit by the original update?<br />
</strong><br />
The sectors that I suffered the most damage in are the ones that are chock full of affiliates, some were the same as those hit in the first change some weren&#8217;t. To a certain extent it&#8217;s a sector based, but I just think they are fine tuning their definition of &#8216;quality&#8217;.</p>
<p><strong>Time to dazzle us with some stats. How many campaigns and keywords do you work with? Do you know a rough percentage of your keywords that have been impacted?<br />
</strong><br />
The first quality change hit me really hard I lost probably about 90% of my keywords in one day. Since I got into PPC to stabilize my income I was understandably pretty upset. I hunkered down drank lots of red bull, spent some long late nights testing different things until I found a way to get things to work. It took me about 3 weeks to get back the biggest chunk of those keywords, but some things I had been bidding on for years I never was able to get back. When I made those changes I fully expected another set of changes in the coming months and set things up with that in mind. So when they made the change in November I lost about 60% of my words, however I was less upset as it took me only two days of grunt work to get almost everything working again.</p>
<p>I fully expect there to be other quality adjustments in the future, and I think I&#8217;ve taken steps to be prepared. The thing to get out of all that is to evolve or die. With each iteration I become smarter more efficient and more agile. As far as how many keywords, I test at least one two new programs a month, so work some don&#8217;t, I&#8217;m probably bidding on about 20,000 terms right now.</p>
<p><strong>Is it mainly pages with contextual advertising that you have seen hit by the latest update?</strong></p>
<p>If this change was just about contextual arbitrage it would be pretty easy to profile, from my testing they are looking at other factors.</p>
<p><strong>You have publicised some <a title="Graywolf Stats" href="http://www.threadwatch.org/node/10124">interesting stats</a> over at Threadwatch showing keywords with high CTR and conversion being hit by the latest update. Google has recently issued a <a title="Inside Adwords on Landing Page Quality" href="http://adwords.blogspot.com/2006/11/answering-your-landing-page-quality.html">firm</a> <a title="Threadwatch on Google denial of bid price" href="http://www.threadwatch.org/node/10335">denial</a> that it uses CTR or conversion in calculating minimum bids. Do you believe this to be the case?</strong></p>
<p>I know a lot people don&#8217;t like it or don&#8217;t want to hear it but I believe they are incorporating user data and parts of the organic algorithm into the quality score. It&#8217;s much more than just high CTR and or conversion rates that keep you from getting price jacked. Since the organic algo is updated and tweaked every few months if they were using it we should also see updates to the quality scores at periodic intervals during the next year, so we&#8217;ll have to stay tuned and watch.</p>
<p><strong>Have you tested tracking your conversion outside of Google?</strong></p>
<p>Hypothetically speaking I don&#8217;t think the really smart people are telling Google everything, instead I think they are giving Google the data they think Google wants to see, hypothetically speaking of course. Additionally I also think those smart people aren&#8217;t giving that level of data to the merchants. Which is why I&#8217;m not a big fan of overly complex merchant reporting systems</p>
<p><strong>Have you tested your landing pages with a view to increasing quality and reducing min cpc?. Are there any particular interesting findings that you can share?</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen any changes in pricing based on changing minor elements on the landing page. Increasing your density, bolding text, putting it in an H1 tag, just not really not worth the time fiddling with.</p>
<p><strong>This question was posed to Google recently; Can a page that has a high CTR or conversion rate be considered a &#8216;poor&#8217; quality landing page?</strong></p>
<p>Going back to my vending machine analogy, Google wants to build a community with store keepers who are in it for the long haul, and are willing to put down roots and are concerned about the long term viability of the community. Affiliates just want a traffic and are content to put a vending machine it up wherever there are a lot of people. For Google these changes are about their long term survival as a quality website, as an affiliate to be honest you don&#8217;t care if the traffic is from Google, Yahoo, MSN, ASK or anywhere else, as long as you can get it, it converts and you make a profit. So put some bright lights and an eye catching panel on your vending machine people will come over to it (high CTR) as long as the soda is the flavor the customer wants, is not sold out and cold they will buy it (high conversion) but there&#8217;s very little &#8220;user experience&#8221; involved in that transaction.</p>
<p><strong>Having the landing page quality algo completely independent to the rest of the Quality Score that makes up ad rank provides Google completely separate control over their minimum bids. How do you feel this will continue to effect advertisers &#038; shape the industry moving forward?</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually quite bizarre and frankly has some ridiculous outcomes. For example let&#8217;s say you get labeled as low quality and your bid gets raised to $5 or $10. Let&#8217;s say you are kind of crazy and decide to pay $5 or $10 what happens is you jump up to the #1 slot since everyone else is bidding $0.30 or $0.40 a keyword. Now the kicker is you get charged the full $5 or $10 not just a bit more than the bidder below you. The whole &#8220;your ad is low quality unless you pay through the nose&#8221; is actually ridiculous, and makes them look like they are in it for the money. If my ad is low quality don&#8217;t show it, plain and simple, end of story.</p>
<p><strong>Is there anything else you would like to add or share with us?</strong></p>
<p>People who were priced out of their keywords need to try things differently. Don&#8217;t be afraid to try something that&#8217;s out of the box and little crazy, just watch it like a hawk when you do and see what happens. If you can&#8217;t figure out what&#8217;s working try looking at people who have campaigns that didn&#8217;t get disabled and try to dissect it.</p>
<p><em>Thanks again to</em> <em><strong>Graywolf</strong></em>!</p>
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		<title>Google Answers Questions On Landing Page Quality Update</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Inside Adwords Blog has a new post that tries to answer some questions they have received from advertisers regarding their new landing page quality update. The latest update upset a few people for a number of reasons (some valid, some less so&#8230;) but overall there was an overwhelming consensus that there was a serious [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a title="Landing Page Quality Questions" href="http://adwords.blogspot.com/2006/11/answering-your-landing-page-quality.html">Inside Adwords Blog</a> has a new post that tries to answer some questions they have received from advertisers regarding their new landing page quality update. The latest update upset a few people for a number of reasons (some valid, some less so&#8230;) but overall there was an overwhelming consensus that there was a serious <a title="Lack of Transparency in Googles landing page update" href="http://www.ppcblog.co.uk/ppc/a-serious-lack-of-transparency-in-googles-landing-page-quality-update/">lack of transparency</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a couple of interesting quotes from the post;</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>Why did you make this change right before the holiday season?</strong></em></p>
<p><em> As more and more holiday shoppers turn online to find gifts, we want to do everything we can to serve the most relevant and highest quality ads to our users. By making improvements to landing page quality, we&#8217;re not only able to help users (who are your potential customers) find what they want, but also help you maximize your leads because your ads will no longer have to compete with ads that are providing a poor user experience.  To give a bit more background, we had an internal debate about when to release these changes. We ultimately decided that since our focus is providing the most relevant advertising, it was best to launch these long-planned improvements as soon as we were ready to go, technically speaking.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>It obviously had nothing to do with getting a nice big slice of the pie in time for the Christmas rush.</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>Can a page that has a high CTR or conversion rate be considered a poor quality landing page?</strong></em></p>
<p><em>In short, yes. Though the Quality Score incorporates the CTR of your keyword, when our system is specifically evaluating your landing page quality, it does not consider the CTR of your keywords or any conversion tracking or Google Analytics data in the account.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Us paranoid souls do sometimes think <a title="Threadwatch" href="http://www.threadwatch.org/node/10124">otherwise</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Instead, it&#8217;s focused on the actual content and relevance of your landing page to a user who clicks on your ad and ends up on your site. It is well worth noting that not all ads with a high CTR provide a good experience for users. For example, an ad may promote a new home for sale in San Francisco for the query &#8216;San Francisco homes&#8217;, but after clicking on the ad, the user is taken to a page that shows houses in Seattle. This is not a particularly good experience for the user &#8212; but the ad itself could still be highly relevant to the keyword, and thus is likely to have a high CTR.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>So did Google miss out the <strong><em>conversion</em></strong> part of the question or is it just me? Googles answer seems to be simply that they don&#8217;t check conversion. We all know that adverts with high CTR might well be mis-informing users and infact deliver a poor user experience. We know this. But generally speaking, if a webpage <em>fairly</em> delivers a high conversion rate as per some <a title="Graywolf on landing page quality update" href="http://www.threadwatch.org/node/10124">examples</a>, surely it should be considered a positive user experience?</p>
<p>It seems to me Google is determining relevancy and quality of experience for us all, without getting it quite right. It begs the question again, does anyone really think this update was completely quality driven?</p>
<p>I posted a few thoughts on the <a title="SEW Forums on quality update" href="http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=14895">SEW forums</a>.</p>
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		<title>A Serious Lack Of Transparency In Googles Landing Page Quality Update</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 19:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I reported a couple of days ago about Googles new landing page quality update and criticised the lack of transparency in Googles methods for these. Andrew Goodman has already voiced his concerns regarding Googles lack of transparency and it seems the new update has brought about further debate over at Threadwatch. A threadwatch member, Graywolf [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reported a couple of days ago about <a title="Google landing page quality" href="http://www.ppcblog.co.uk/ppc/landing-page-quality-update-for-adsense-content-sites-too/">Googles new landing page quality update</a> and criticised the lack of transparency in Googles methods for these.</p>
<p><a title="Andrew Goodman" href="http://www.traffick.com/2006/11/lack-of-editorial-transparency-nagging.asp">Andrew Goodman</a> has already voiced his concerns regarding Googles lack of transparency and it seems the new update has brought about further debate over at <a title="Threadwatch on Google landing page quality update" href="http://www.threadwatch.org/node/10124">Threadwatch</a>.</p>
<p>A threadwatch member, <a title="Graywolf" href="http://www.wolf-howl.com/">Graywolf</a> has published some interesting statistics which highlight the lack of understanding we currently have in how Google determine landing page quality and its direct correlation with the minimum bid you are forced to pay. Remember, <a title="landing page quality" href="http://adwords.blogspot.com/2006/11/landing-page-quality-update.html">landing page quality does not effect your ad rank</a>, it only determines your minimum cpc.</p>
<p>In this particular case a keyword has a 11% CTR and 41% conversion rate, which to anyone would seem to be performing very well &#8211; Yet this keyword has been forced with a high minimum cpc with the latest update. Now remember, Googles landing page quality score is there to help improve user experience, is this really whats happening with a 41% conversion rate? It would suggest not.</p>
<p>Does the landing page algo have problems or are we witnessing Google using the lack of transparency as a tool to just increase their revenue?</p>
<p>Whichever way you look at it, with the complete lack of transparency, Google are able to pretty much do as they please without the fear of repercussion under what it can deem as a landing page quality score update &#8211; rather than just a hike in bid prices.</p>
<p><em><strong>Danny Sullivan</strong></em> went a little further with his thoughts;</p>
<blockquote><p><em>you told them your conversion rate?!!!  Plenty of people have been paranoid that if Google say conversion rates, Google would push up the prices on things that work. It&#8217;s not hard to think that if they see a term getting lots of clicks (number 1 pulled twice number 2) and a high conversion and a low CPC, up the CPC.  Not saying this is happening, but with even less transparency, I think it gives people even less reason to want Google to see what their conversion rates off. Might be interesting to track your conversion outside their system and see if that stops those type of changes.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>So what do we think? Is this really in the users best interests? Or is this a charade for Google to make even more <a title="Google profits" href="http://finance.google.com/finance?q=GOOG">profits</a>&#8230;</p>
<p>If Google is really after the MFA sites and arbitragers, why does it not just try and enforce its <a title="Adsense policies" href="https://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?answer=48182&amp;sourceid=aso&amp;subid=ww-ww-et-asui&amp;medium=link&amp;hl=en_US">polices properley</a>?</p>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li>No Google ad may be placed on any non-content-based pages.</li>
<li>No Google ad or Google search box may be displayed on any domain parking websites, pop-ups, pop-unders, or in any email</li>
<li>No Google ad may be placed on pages published specifically for the purpose of showing ads, whether or not the page content is relevant.</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>Well, <a title="Shoemoney on artibitrage" href="http://www.shoemoney.com/2006/11/09/new-adwords-quality-score-bot-aims-to-nuke-arbitragers/">Shoemoneys latest post</a> explains</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Keep in mind Google is not going to stop letting you do this… They are just going to charge you more cause of your “quality score”. There is just to much money to be made right now in arbitrage and Google wants a bigger slice.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>More conversation on this over at the <a title="SEW forums" href="http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=14895">SEW forums</a>.</p>
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		<title>Landing Page Quality Not Used In Google Algo For Ad Ranking</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to pick up on another point in the recent post by the Inside Adwords blog. There has been frequent discussions on whether the landing page quality is taken into account for ad ranking. Google has cleared this up by stating the landing page quality only directly effects your minimum bid, not your ad postion. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to pick up on another point in the recent post by the <a title="adwords blog" href="http://adwords.blogspot.com/2006/11/landing-page-quality-update.html">Inside Adwords blog</a>. There has been frequent discussions on whether the landing page quality is taken into account for ad ranking.</p>
<p>Google has cleared this up by stating the landing page quality only directly effects your minimum bid, not your ad postion.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Will my landing page quality affect my ad&#8217;s position?</em></p>
<p><em>Not for Google search. While one&#8217;s landing page quality is directly correlated with the minimum bid required for one&#8217;s ads to run, it does not affect your ads position (or &#8216;rank&#8217;, as it is often referred to) at all. However, since there is no minimum bid requirement for contextually-targeted ads, low quality landing pages will result in the need to bid higher to compete in the auction, which could also impact your position on pages in the network.</em></p></blockquote>
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